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 on: September 09, 2010, 09:09:49 am 
Started by Moun10Bike - Last post by Moun10Bike
Version 0.10 (September 9, 2010)

    * Updated trails to match what is present in Northwest Trails v1.63
    * Added tiles:
          o Green Lake E
          o Green Lake W
          o 100 Mile House E
          o 100 Mile House W
          o Canyonville E
          o Canyonville W
          o Grants Pass E
          o Grants Pass W
          o Happy Camp E
          o Happy Camp W
          o North Santiam River E
          o North Santiam River W

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 on: September 09, 2010, 09:08:37 am 
Started by Moun10Bike - Last post by Moun10Bike
Version 1.63 (September 9, 2010)

    * Corrected attribution of the Tin Mine Trail in the Green Mountain State Forest (near Bremerton, WA) after error pointed out by Matt Slaney
    * Added or updated several trails with data available at EveryTrail.com:
          o Updated the Navigation and Plowboy Trails (near Priest Lake, ID)
          o Added the Gold Hill Trail (near Sandpoint, ID)
          o Added several trails in Syringa Heights (near Sandpoint, ID)
    * Data courtesy of Simoneyes:
          o Additional Eagle Ridge trails in Coquitlam Watershed (Coquitlam, BC)
          o Additional trails at Buntzen Lake (near Coquitlam, BC)
          o Additional trails at Cypress Provincial Park (near West Vancouver, BC)
          o Additional trails at Pinecone Lake-Burke Mountain Park (near Coquitlam, BC)
          o Eagle Ridge trails in Coquitlam Watershed (Coquitlam, BC)
          o Mt. Cheam Trail (near Chilliwack, BC)
          o Additional trails on Mt. Burke (near Coquitlam, BC)
    * Data courtesy of Gsnorgathon:
          o Averaged data for the Blue Lake Trail (near Washington Pass, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Cutthroat Pass Trail and adjacent section of the Pacific Crest Trail (near Washington Pass)
          o Averaged data for the Elliot Creek/Goat Lake Trail (near Barlow Pass, WA)
          o Adjustments to the Gothic Basin Trail (near Barlow Pass, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Iron Peak Trail (North Fork Teanaway River Valley, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Longs Pass Trail (North Fork Teanaway River Valley, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Maple Pass and Rainy Lake Trails (near Washington Pass, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Mount Dickerman Trail (near Silverton, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Mt. Forgotten & Perry Creek Trail (near Silverton, WA)
          o Averaged data for the Mount Pugh Trail (off the Mountain Loop Highway, WA)
          o Trace of the Twin Lakes Trail from aerial imagery (near Monte Cristo, WA)
          o Trace of the Mineral City to Poodle Dog Pass trail from USGS topos (near Monte Cristo, WA)
          o Trace of the old Monte Cristo to Poodle Dog Pass Trail from aerial imagery and USGS topos (near Monte Cristo, WA)
          o Trace of the Poodle Dog Pass to Twin Lakes Trail along with the trail around Twin Lakes from aerial imagery (near Monte Cristo, WA)
          o Adjustments to the Tonga Ridge and Fisher Lake Trails, plus adjustment/extension of NF-6830 (near Skykomish, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Erik Olson:
          o Adjustments to the Yelm-Tenino Trail (Yelm, WA to Tenino, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Ladybug Kids:
          o Adjustments and additions to the California Creek and Beaver Pond Trails (near Girdwood, AK)
    * Data courtesy of Mark Allen:
          o Adjustments to the Pacific Crest and Edds Lake Trails (Snoqualmie Pass, WA)
          o Major corrections and additions to the Pacific Crest Trail between I-90 and Highway 2 (WA), including the Petes Lake, Waptus Pass, Waptus Burn, Waptus River, Spinola Creek, Deep Lake, and Surprise Lake Trails
    * Data courtesy of EraSeek:
          o Adjustments and additions to trails at Bottle Beach State Park (near Westport, WA)
    * Data courtesy of MaliBooBoo:
          o Hook Trail and other motorized trails at Fyfe Lake (near Prince George, BC)
          o Scaret Creek Trail at Tabor Lake (near Prince George, BC)
          o Additional trail in Kenna Cartwright Nature Park (near Kamloops, BC)
          o Trail to interesting rock formation off of Moffett Lake Road (near Australian, BC)
          o Paved trail at Sisters Creek Recreation Site (near Kersley, BC)
    * Data courtesy of Alnilam:
          o Hidden Lake Trail (near Marblemount, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Raman Sarin:
          o Adjustments, corrections and additions to trails around Whistler (BC)
    * Data courtesy of The Jester:
          o Tipsoo Lake Trail (Chinook Pass, Mount Rainier National Park, WA)
          o Trails and roads at South Tacoma State Game Refuge (Lakewood, WA)
          o Additional trails in Chambers Creek Park (Lakewood, WA)
          o Additional roads and trails along the BPA Powerlines (Renton, WA)
          o Trails at Bresemann Forest (Spanaway, WA)
          o Cushman and Scott Pierson Trails (Gig Harbor to Tacoma, WA)
          o Corrections and additions to trails in Grandview Park (Kent, WA)
          o Roads and trail to Ring of Fire train wreck (near Wynoochee Lake, WA)
          o William Cannon Trail (near Olympia, WA)
          o Wapato Hills Urban Wildlife Habitat (Tacoma, WA)
          o Garfield Park (Tacoma, WA)
          o Wright Park (Tacoma, WA)
          o Trail from the ferry dock to an outlook on Lopez Island, WA
          o Adjustments to the Yelm-Tenino Trail (Yelm, WA to Tenino, WA)
          o Yelm Prairie Line Trail (Yelm, WA)
          o Adjustments and additions to the Foothills Trail (near Buckley, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Babybackpackers:
          o Additional trails including the SW Summit Trail on Goose Rock (Deception Pass State Park, WA)
    * Data courtesy of jholly:
          o Verification of and additions to trails in Ted Olson Nature Preserve (Bainbridge Island, WA)
          o Extension of trails near the Quiet Place (Kingston, WA)
    * Data courtesy of CachenCouple:
          o Verification of and additions to the Hicks Lake Loop Trail (Sasquatch Provincial Park, BC)
          o Deer Lake Trail (Sasquatch Provincial Park, BC)
    * Data courtesy of Dave Beacham:
          o Service Jr. Nordic Trail (Service High School, Anchorage, AK)
          o Old Baldy Trail (near Eagle River, AK)
          o Additional ATV trail at Jim Creek (near Palmer, AK)
    * Data courtesy of mschlechter:
          o Under Thunder Trail (near Juneau, AK)
          o Blackerby Ridge Trail (near Juneau, AK)
          o Red Mill Trail (Perseverance/Gold Basin area near Juneau, AK)
          o Continuation of the Perseverance Trail (Perseverance/Gold Basin area near Juneau, AK)
    * Data courtesy of AndrewRJ:
          o Extension of the Astoria Riverwalk (Astoria, OR)
          o Addition to the Youngs Bay Dike Trail (near Astoria, OR)
          o Paved trail near Battery Russell in Fort Stevens State Park (OR)
          o Additional trails in Marckworth State Forest near Lake Margaret (near Duvall, WA)
          o Cora Lake Trail (near Ashford, WA)
          o Paved trail in Duvall, WA
          o Trails at Fort Clatsop (near Warrenton, OR)
          o Paved trail at Fort Stevens State Park (near Warrenton, OR)
          o Offshoot trail from the Tolt Pipeline Trail (Woodinville, WA)
          o Extension of an unpaved road in Pilchuck Tree Farm (near Arlington, WA)
          o Additional roads and trails in the vicinity of Tokul (near Snoqualmie, WA)
          o Three Lakes Trail (near Ashford, WA)
          o Offshoot of the Warrenton Waterfront Trail (Warrenton, OR)
          o Extension of the levee trail at Blue Hole (North Bend, WA)
          o Additional trails in Three Forks Natural Area (near North Bend, WA)
          o Trails off of the Snoqualmie Valley Trail at Tollgate Farm (near North Bend, WA)
    * Data courtesy of monkey360:
          o Several trails in the Pasayten Wilderness (WA) starting at Billy Goat Trailhead, including all or portions of the Larch Creek, Whistler Basin, Quartz Lake, Boundary, Sheep Lake, Martina Creek, and Corral Lake Trails
          o Adjustments to the Mallardy Ridge Trail (near Verlot, WA)
    * Data courtesy of hydnsek:
          o Confirmation of and adjustments to the Rainy Lake Trail (Middle Fork Snoqualmie River, WA)
          o Hopkins Creek Falls Trail (near Randle, WA)
          o Three Lakes Trail (near Ashford, WA)
          o Cora Lake Trail (near Ashford, WA)
          o Neighborhood trail on Mercer Island (WA)
          o Unpaved Road near La Push, WA
    * Data courtesy of LandRover:
          o Corrections and additions to the lower end of Suntop Trail (near Greenwater, WA)
          o Rim Trail at Mud Mountain Dam Recreation Area (near Enumclaw, WA)
          o Additional trails and adjustments at Pinnacle Peak Park (Enumclaw, WA)
    * Data courtesy of somegeek:
          o Correction to the Bluff Trail (near Washougal, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Chuck:
          o Numerous additions and adjustments to roads and trails in the northern section of the Capitol State Forest (near Olympia, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Teddy2k:
          o Cheam Lake Wetlands Regional Park (near Rosedale, BC)
          o Kawkawa Lake Nature Trail (near Hope, BC)
    * Data courtesy of Phil Andrews and square_peg:
          o Adjustments of several trails on Blake Island (Puget Sound, WA)
    * Data courtesy of CaptCosmic:
          o Trails in WSU Demonstration Forest (Bonney Lake, WA)
    * Data courtesy of Inversion:
          o Loop trail in Cooper Mountain Nature Park (Beaverton, OR)
    * Data courtesy of Johnny Boy and DB Cooper:
          o Adjustments to Boardman Lake & Lake Evan Trail (near Verlot, WA)
          o Unpaved roads in the Sultan Basin (near Sultan, WA)
          o Unpaved roads near Granite Falls, WA
    * Data courtesy of Reg Rumwell:
          o Roads, trails and waypoints near the Flying U Ranch (Green Lake near 70 Mile House, BC)
    * Data courtesy of k9sarfrog:
          o Additional roads and trails in the vicinity of Tokul (near Snoqualmie, WA)
    * Data courtesy of lucyandrickie:
          o Confirmation of the trail to Kendall Katwalk (near Snoqualmie Pass, WA)
          o Corrections and additions to the Valley Trail and other trails near Lost Lake (Whistler, BC)
          o Corrections and additions to the Nairn Falls Trail (near Whistler, BC)
          o Adjustments to the Mt. Washington trail (near North Bend, WA)
          o Corrections and additions to the Explorer Falls Trail (near Lake Roesinger, WA)
          o Adjustments to a portion of the Cooper River Trail (Salmon la Sac, WA)
          o Thorp Creek Falls Trail (near Salmon la Sac, WA)
          o Corrections to the western end of the Smith Creek trail (Windy Ridge on Mt. St. Helens, WA)
          o Corrections to the Iron Creek campground Road and a portion of the Iron Creek Campground Loop (near Randle, WA)
          o Adjustments to the Tonga Ridge and Mt. Sawyer Trails, plus addition of forest road to Tongra Ridge Trailhead (near Skykomish, WA)
          o Adjustments to the Lake Serene Trail (near Index, WA)
    * Data courtesy of captsteiny:
          o Fairyland Trail (near Seabeck, WA)
          o A couple of trails near Shelton, WA
    * Data courtesy of Fox:
          o Minor trail extension of Putrid Pete's Trail (near North Bend, WA)
    * Data courtesy of WanderingPosts:
          o Trail to Eagle Cliffs (near Mt. St. Helens, WA)
    * Data courtesy of popop:
          o Trails in Port Orford Heads State Park (Port Orford, OR)

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 on: September 01, 2010, 08:27:15 pm 
Started by ejain - Last post by Moun10Bike
There is just no way to support that kind of metadata in the GPS mapset.  Also, there are just way too many trail segments to be able to easily list them in a spreadsheet or database and be able to find what you're looking for without major effort.  My goal, however, is to eventually have the website set up to allow browsing of the data on Google or Bing Maps.  You will then be able to click on a trail and get all of the information about it.

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 on: September 01, 2010, 08:14:57 pm 
Started by orrenb - Last post by Moun10Bike
Thanks!  I had hoped to be done with Crater Lake by the end of August (I'm marching across Oregon right now left to right, top to bottom), but I'm running behind.  There have just been a bunch of "epic" trail submissions in recent weeks (the kind that take a lot of effort to integrate into the existing database).

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 on: August 31, 2010, 07:31:43 pm 
Started by orrenb - Last post by orrenb
Thanks... I downloaded NW Topos and can see the trails superimposed when I go to at least the .5 mi zoom level like you said.... Now all I have to do is wait for some more of Oregon... and I realize that is probably a big effort... so I and I'm sure many others are waiting patiently... You are doing a great job with this stuff....

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 on: August 31, 2010, 04:06:43 pm 
Started by ejain - Last post by ejain
Do people think that adding a label like "(unverified)" to the trail labels would be useful?

Even if I know that a trail has been "verified", that's not too useful unless I know how long ago it was verified.

If there is no way to attach metadata (such as last verification date, source etc) to a trail, how about keeping a separate list of trails (in a spreadsheet or simple database)? That could also be useful for people who want to go check trails that have never been verified or are due to be re-verified...

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 on: August 31, 2010, 03:07:01 pm 
Started by ejain - Last post by Gsnorgathon
I think it would be helpful, and not just for navigation. It would influence my decisions about which trails to hike, so that I could help improve the map set.

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 on: August 31, 2010, 01:33:52 pm 
Started by ejain - Last post by Moun10Bike
I agree that this would be helpful, but display types for trails are very limited in number on the GPS.  It would not be possible to have different looks for verified vs. unverified trails, unpaved roads, minor trails, paved trails, etc.

Do people think that adding a label like "(unverified)" to the trail labels would be useful?

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 on: August 31, 2010, 01:31:32 pm 
Started by orrenb - Last post by Moun10Bike
MapSource does not allow you to overlay separate mapsets on the computer in the application; the overlaying only occurs on the GPS (the background data you see when NW Trails is selected is rough data I have added to the mapset for reference but does not upload to the GPS).  If you want to see topo and road data along with trail data, you should try Northwest Topos instead.

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 on: August 31, 2010, 01:14:14 pm 
Started by orrenb - Last post by orrenb
I'm using Mapsource V6.16.2 on Win7 and can see NW trails on top of the default mapset... but can't seem to get them to overlay City Navigator NA V8 or US Topo West.  I read something about transparency at GPSMapDepot but when I check the "help" file in Mapsource the only reference I find re transparency sez...."A Map Set can contain maps from more than one MapSource product, but if the maps overlap, you will only see data from one of the maps at a time in your GPS device. The maps are not transparent on the GPS device and cannot be combined."

I'm not so much concerned about seeing only one at a time on the GPS (I use a Garmin 276C) but would like to figure out how to have the trails integrated into city navigator and/or topo while using mapsource. 

Am I overlooking a way to do this? 

Thanks, OB


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